Brenda Powers new article

[GloriaHolle]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6689371.ece


Brenda Power: I must not offend gay people, I must not offend gay people , I must not . . .


The gay community demands tolerance but a vocal and misogynistic minority refuses to accept any dissent from their own opinions
Gay people should be allowed to marry and adopt children. People should not be judged on how they look and dress. Children brought up by gay couples do at least as well, if not much better, than the children of heterosexual households. The Pride parade is intended as a celebration, not a provocation. And Miss Panti, aka Rory O’Neill, is to be addressed as “she”.

I did consider devoting this week’s column to writing the above paragraph out 100 times, like Bart Simpson at the blackboard. Because these, in a more temperate nutshell, are the gist of the points made in the hundreds of letters, e-mails, phone calls and internet postings prompted by the column I wrote here last week. I’m going to ignore the many nasty comments about my children and my competence as a parent, and the threats to lobby Rupert Murdoch for my immediate sacking, which would be serious if they weren’t so funny.

Some people did make strong and considered arguments rebutting the opinions I’d expressed, and some of their points are summarised above. But let’s not lose sight of the fact that they are opinions. If they were statements of fact, then I’d deserve to be made to write them out dozens of times so as to drill them into my skull. But they’re not, they’re points of view, no more or less valid than mine. This is still a relatively free country so you are at liberty to agree or disagree with them, and so am I.

The main source of irritation over last week’s column seems to be my view that marriage is an institution of a particular nature designed for a particular purpose. Some people were annoyed that I said gays were now demanding that it be reinvented to suit them, and say they are merely asking that it be opened to include them.


The point is, I do not see how that is possible. Marriage is primarily intended for the protection of children who may result from a union of a man and a woman, which is the only sort of union capable of producing offspring. The child of an unmarried couple still has no legal status with regard to the male parent — no right to maintenance, to access, to support. An unmarried father is still perfectly free to deny and abandon his child without any fear of legal or social consequences. Every year, thousands do so. Civil marriage guarantees the civil and legal status of any child born of the union of a male and a female spouse.

Possibly the silliest argument against this interpretation is the one that goes: “Oh, so does that mean that married couples who don’t have children should have their marriage licences revoked then?” This deliberately confuses the objective of protecting offspring and the obligation to produce them.

Legal marriage between a man and woman recognises that children may result, and seeks to secure their status in advance since it’s too late to guarantee it after the event. Whether or not the couple produce children is irrelevant once the potential has ever been present. That potential does not exist in a same-sex couple. Since a 67-year-old woman recently gave birth in Britain, it is clear that a married couple in their sixties are still more likely to produce a child that equally shares their genes than a gay couple in their twenties. And that’s not a matter of opinion, that’s a fact.

The Civil Partnership bill offers same-sex couples the right to form unions that are identical to marriage in all respects other than those relating to children. I have absolutely no doubt that there are many happy same-sex couples raising secure, contented children.

Gay people argue that because such stable homes exist they should have equal rights to adopt, or rather to be considered as adoptive parents. There is, I will concede, a strong argument there. Single people can adopt, so it makes little sense to prevent the legal partner of a gay parent adopting that parent’s child, once there’s no credible objection from the other natural parent. But where the state has a duty to place an orphaned, or reluctantly relinquished, newborn in the optimum circumstances for a secure, balanced and socially typical upbringing, then I believe that a married heterosexual couple should be the first choice. That’s my opinion; you don’t have to like it.

Boiled down to a single sentence, the one line that my many critics would have me write on that blackboard is: “I must not upset a gay person.” Nor must I disagree with their opinions, dissent from their agenda, and I must not say that men in cutaway green wedding dresses look a bit daft.

Within a community that expects and demands so much tolerance, there appears to be a vocal, militant and markedly misogynistic element that is reluctant to show tolerance for any opinions that don’t accord precisely with its own. No democratic society can afford to indulge groups who seek to punish and silence those who dare disagree with them.

I’ve been accused, by people who clearly didn’t read last week’s column, of saying I believe that homosexuality is a lifestyle choice. I didn’t, and I don’t. I did, however, say that if gays choose to celebrate their identity by parading through the streets in clothing that is designedly provocative, they’ve only themselves to blame if people draw that conclusion.


I have no time for the Ali G school of debate. If I am a little impatient with a grown man who puts on a frock and a wig to make a serious political point, and then takes offence if he’s not addressed as a female, it’s not ’cos he’s gay. It’s because I think he’s silly. Again, I stress, that’s merely my opinion.

Whether we like it or not, the way you present yourself to the world is crucial to how you and your message are received. That may be an unsophisticated, superficial and hastily judgmental approach, but it is the prevailing one. So if you are arguing that you should have the right to be considered as a mature, responsible adult competent to provide a balanced, regular, appropriate upbringing to a stranger’s vulnerable child, it’s probably best, for the moment, not to do so while wearing fancy dress and a fright wig. That’s neither a fact nor an opinion — it’s just my advice.

If any gay people felt their status or dignity undermined by anything I wrote last week, that wasn’t my intention. If anything, in fact, any social grouping with a truly strong, confident and proud identity should welcome comment and criticism. The Civil Partnership bill marks a step forward for the gay community that would have been unthinkable in this country even five years ago, and their leaders should secure and build on it, and engage in mature debate on the issues that inevitably arise. Leave the name calling and the silly costumes in the playground, where they belong.



her email address: brenda.power@sunday-times.ie

I've already sent off an email to her about what i thought of this latest installment n i suggest all of you do too!!
gotta shout loud to be heard!

xox

[fada]

Sorry Gloria, but I'm sick of her.... I'm beginning to think that if we ignore this dumb bitch, she'll eventually make enough of a fool of herself and she'll disappear..... I'll write again.... But I'm getting on to some friends of the family, and getting her sacked! ;)

[Evil Steve]

if we ignore this dumb bitch, she'll eventually make enough of a fool of herself and she'll disappear


They never go away....

[PoopZilla]

You people kinda need to grow up.

What Brenda Powers says in this article is pretty true in some places.

I was writing a pretty long-winded reply to this but thought "fuck it, there's no point"

The gay community needs to realise that other peoples opinions are valid too.

The gay community needs to realise that monogamy is an important part of a relationship (you can disagree with me on this one, and I know I've only seen the limerick scene, but god dammit, the majority of you people are disgusting when it comes to relationships)

The gay community needs to realise that the road to equality is long, they need to see that civil partnership is one of the many steps on the road to marraige and they also need to learn how to be GREATFUL.

[Tweety]

but god dammit, the majority of you people are disgusting when it comes to relationships

I get where your going with this, the gay scene's "excuses" can be somewhat hilarious when heard. And infuriating when it happens to you!

Controversial! But well said! Especially from a screen name called: Poopzilla! :p

[fada]

I would have to disagree with you Fabio. The Limerick community is pretty united, we have a very strong community, and while there are one or 2 Cliques, I wouldn't say that they are unwelcoming.

Brenda Power is unifying the National community, people are getting pissed off, and are getting involved in Protests. We'll see if this momentum continues on into the coming months.

We are not going to be turned into 2nc Class citizens!

[fada]

The gay community needs to realise that monogamy is an important part of a relationship (you can disagree with me on this one, and I know I've only seen the limerick scene, but god dammit, the majority of you people are disgusting when it comes to relationships)

The gay community needs to realise that the road to equality is long, they need to see that civil partnership is one of the many steps on the road to marraige and they also need to learn how to be GREATFUL.

Ok... Monogamy is common on the scene! I actually don't know of any couples who aren't monogamus.... Personally, I think that this is an invalid point, and I think that there are many couples on the scene who would strongly disagree with you on this point.
I for one don't do the whole promiscuity thing. My personal beliefs. And I also know that many of my friends don't go in for shagging around. It's stereotypes like this that do our Community no favours.

Yes, Equality is a long road, one we must travel with grace and humility. Civil Partnership is making second class citizens of us all! I for one am not going to be Grateful for that.

You are entitled to your opinions Poopzilla, however, I am entitled to disagree ;) and I strongly disagree on this.

Fada x

[Merack]

Sprry Poop, and it's not often i will ever say this to someone but you are wrong!

Why should i have to wait for a bunch of bureaucrats to make up their minds to scribble a bunch of signatures on a page that came out of an epson printer before i can marry my guy?

Sure some people go about trying to achieve this in a very non productive way such as writing hate mail to the likes of Brenda power and so on, which in fact will slow the whole process down.

But if you look at the LGBT community's struggle for equal rights it is just like that of the struggle of coloured people, and women before them!

I dare you to go tell your mother to get in to the kitchen, not to express her opinions, marry who she is told to and to not dare cast a vote! See how fast you get slapped off the nearest wall!:p

I dare you to tell a colored man that he is illegitimate in the eyes of his god, that his children have no souls and that he should be out your back garden tending to your crops. See how fast you get your nuts stuck up your nostrils.

Need i go on?

If you aren't worried about marriage equality and equal rights, then go on living as a second class citizen, oh but don't forget to pay your taxes, and to uphold the law. Exactly as the heterosexual community does. Funny how some things are equal because it suits the bourgeois.

Obviously Monogamy is important in EVERY relationship. Makes no difference if your LGBTQSA...yadda yadda. I don't think people here are too stupid to know that already:rolleyes:

While you are perfectly free to voice your opinion because you are a pseudo equal citizen to everyone else, i take a fundamental stance against your reasoning that we all seem as cock/fanny hungry animals who only want equal rights just 'cos we have nothing else to look for.

I will be in Dublin on the 9th, and I will be demanding my rights as an equal citizen that man, women, white and colored people alike all have and when i get them i am marrying my man!:D

P.S. I hope you will join us

[fada]

I would have to say that we are welcoming to everyone! Everyone who I, or my friends meet is spoken to and welcomed. Snidey? Pitty? Are you mixing us up with others? Cause I have to be honest, and there are many who can vouch for it, This sounds like a great load of BS. I'm well known for the fact that I would talk to a brick wall.

[Evil Steve]

you are a mullet!
hahahahahahaha

[abydos6]

Popzilla,

Dahling...

when people first get the rush of sexual feeling, they tend to go out and try to bed everyone that they can, and then when they calm down they tend to become more discerning and begin their quest for the 'one'.

This is a common fact across the hetero and gay community. Many Gays, Lesbians, Bi's and Trans people that I know are indeed monogamous. I'm not counting those in the straight and gay community that have 'open' or 'poly' relationships. Those individuals and their partners are a law unto themselves.

Most of us would rather have one person in our lives as maintaining our sanity in one relationship while trying to fit into the wee box that society has insisted that we fit into is a hard enough task. Besides which, if you love the one you are with, why do you want something else? I'd rather my steak any day, than some fast food crap that only fills a hole on a temporary basis.

I am offended that you maintain that LGBTQ etc., have no monogamy in their lives. I've been with my partner officially for a year and a half now, and we would love the chance to get married and remain each others steak forever, or however long that ends up being. Neither of us would dream of sleeping around as we value our partners feelings and love each other without question, fair enough we flirt, but our relationship is stable enough for us not to bloody freak out at that.

Dahling, whoever you are hanging out with is obviously young, and still feeling their 'ardor' having come out of the closet, and if you have an issue with their lack of monogamy then you need to voice that, or dahling, change your group of friends.

I hope you have understood what I have said, and understand that this is mine and several other members of our communities view point on this.

((hugs))

[StarBoi]

right a few comments to make on this than ill leave this thread in fear that i will get my head ripped off.

first of all i disagree with poop on his comment on monogomy. i have been living with my guy now for 1 year, been proud to call myself his boyfriend for 2years, my best friend for 3 years and my friend of 5 years. i am still as in love with him today as i was when we first met, sure that love has changed over the past 2 years but thats what happens, i mean you can only get that "honeymoon period" for a while before you see past all the good things and have to learn to deal with the persons bad habits which i have done, god knows hes not perfect but hell either am i but we still love each other, we flirt but like aby said we dont go mad over it! i recently came back from holidays where i met 3 couples, 2 women together for 20 years, 2 men together for 40years and two drag queens together for 33 years. monogomy is out there and once you find someone you love, you stick with em once you have trust and communication. i have always said the lgbt community move quick in relationships, thats clear when u see people sleeping around but its no different to the straight community! yoru right there are a lot of people who sleep around but there entitled to do it, each to their own! aby is a great example of monogomy that she is tying the knot with her partner and good on them, hopefully soon they can do it in ireland, a full wedding, not sloppy seconds.

secondly, Fabio you are totally entitled to your own opinion. Bren is a great friend however, sure the things he can be say are over the top at times but ever notice its with drink, i have often said and done stupid things with drink as well and ims ure your no different. but at the end of the day bren is a lovely guyu and a great friend. he can slag me till the cows come home but he knows when im upset and he knows how to cheer me up and he always does! and if you do have a genuine problem with him, maybe a PM is more suited than a personal attack across a public forum.
I also think that the LGBT community is very welcoming in Limerick. Look at pride, look at riddlers , look at rainbow support. I talk to anyone and everyone and take part in as many areas of the limerick community as possible. everywhere has cliques, cliches, stereotypes. its apart of life whether gay straight trans lesbian etc. you cant escape them wherever you go and with each clique comes personal jokes, lesbians being butch, gays being fairies, bis being greedy. i mean if a straight guy went around prancing calling himself fabulous, some gay people might find it offensive but how many gay people use the word fabulous or fag without batting an eyelid?

lastly, merack i think its cool you have your own opinions, so do i and thats what this place is for, but poop also made an opinion and i dont think its your place to say whether its right or wrong, no ones opinion is right or wrong its an opinion ans as much as i hate brendas words she did make that point in this weeks article. thats me done neway

*hides from future assualt on this comment*

[DaisyD]

Lads,

SHUT UP!


If someone has a problem, then say it face to face...I hate eejits who pull the bullying online stunt 'cos no one knows who they are...

Now back to Brenda Power...


As taken from HERE (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brenda_Power)

Brenda Power is an Irish radio and television broadcaster on RTÉ and Newstalk. Originally from Kilkenny, Power currently co-presents Crimecall with Con Murphy. Prior to this Power filled in for Marian Finucane and Joe Duffy on their respective radio shows. She has also presented her own radio show in the past, and has worked for RTÉ since 2000.During the summer of 2006 Brenda stood in on The Right Hook on Newstalk. Brenda Power hosted her own phone-in programme Your Call on Newstalk. In 1996 Power qualified as a barrister, having previously studied journalism. She also worked for the Irish Press group. Brenda has five children. She is known for her Catholic viewpoint, conservative outlook and is a vocal opponent of gay marriage having campaigned against it in her Times Online column.

Well that just says it all really!! LOL [:-))]

[fada]

Amen Daisy!

I have argued her from a *Christian* position, however i have yet to get a reply.... She doesn't seem open to criticism, nor admitting she may possibly be wrong!

[Dizzy]

Sorry i know this is an important issue and yadda yadda yadda. . . . .

. . . . .But jesus! Gloria! You look faboosh in your profile photo! ;)

[Evil Steve]

. . . . .But jesus! Gloria! You look faboosh in your profile photo! ;)

She is obviously following her own advice from her feature her on GIL

[GloriaHolle]

oh stop!! *blush* (say it again but louder?!!) modesty is unfortunately something i wasnt blessed with!! hahaha..

I'm not gonna comment on the little tyra fits some people are having on this (tyra bank's fit on ANTM, youtube it, its hilllarrious) , but all ill say is that there are people like Brenda Power in this world who are trying to split our community up enough as it is!! without us doing it to ourselves..

as for the brenda yoke, as Daisy pointed out.. some people are predisposed to be homophobic, I for one won't accept that. Its another form of Hate just like Racism, bullying etc..

My huge problem with her opinion is that, as entitled to it as she is, Shes potentially polluting other peoples minds with it too!! and the little baby gays growing up who read the newspaper, or their parents read it, or they hear it on the radio.. whatever way.. They're gonna grow up hearing this kinda crap and it has the possibility to make them feel like it isnt ok to be gay, and it isnt ok to be yourself and it isnt ok to love someone of your gender enough to wanna be married and committed to them..

and for them to grow up with that stigma, as im sure most of us have already.. its utterly not ok with me!!

see ya'll on the 9th!!!

xox

[Evil Steve]

secondly, Fabio you are totally entitled to your own opinion. Bren is a great friend however, sure the things he can be say are over the top at times but ever notice its with drink, i have often said and done stupid things with drink as well and ims ure your no different. but at the end of the day bren is a lovely guyu and a great friend. he can slag me till the cows come home but he knows when im upset and he knows how to cheer me up and he always does! and if you do have a genuine problem with him, maybe a PM is more suited than a personal attack across a public forum.
I also think that the LGBT community is very welcoming in Limerick. Look at pride, look at riddlers , look at rainbow support. I talk to anyone and everyone and take part in as many areas of the limerick community as possible. everywhere has cliques, cliches, stereotypes. its apart of life whether gay straight trans lesbian etc. you cant escape them wherever you go and with each clique comes personal jokes, lesbians being butch, gays being fairies, bis being greedy. i mean if a straight guy went around prancing calling himself fabulous, some gay people might find it offensive but how many gay people use the word fabulous or fag without batting an eyelid?



So very true, when i came onto scene here 1st i thought o jesus its a clicky place, but once i got to know people i saw it wasnt as bad as i thought. there are always gonna be groups of people you wont get along with or just dont even wanna get along with.

Jesus thats the same no matter where you go.

Some people do get offended easily especially if they dont really know you, a joke between 2 people can be a sneer between friends but not to someone else, ive friends (some on here) that i can speak to in certain ways but id get lynched if i spoke to other people like that.


*hides from future assualt on this comment*

Dont hide from it, it was all valid points...

Now... who wants to throw shit at Brenda Powers house?

[fada]

thanks guys! you really know how to make an old cunt feel good!

Now.... Brenda Power..... mmmm..... lets see.... Steve... I can get a slurry spreader.... I'll even drive the Tractor!!!!!

[PoopZilla]

Pure causing a stir.
=o

[Evil Steve]

Steve... I can get a slurry spreader.... I'll even drive the Tractor!!!!!

Just throw her in... easier

[SunFlower]

:long overdue mod hat:

sorry its taken me so long to reply.

@ EVERYONE: personal attacks will not be tolerated on the forum. Parties on here whom have violated that will be warned.

BUT

everyone's opinion is welcome. If there is a perception of clique based behaviour, perhaps lets start a thread on how best to rectify that, so that ALL can enjoy the scene.

Any further personal attacks by anyone will recieve warnings (yellow cards). Repeat offenders will receive a temporary suspension of their account (red cards). This is all subject to the Admin of the site.

We will be posting a sticky FAQ up shortly, re: Code of Conduct.

Sunflower,
Moderator

[JoannaRyde]

Little something me and Cher made for Brenda!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aPOOUG4ywY

[fada]

Joanna,
I officially love you..... Just saying.....

[Evil Steve]

has any one seen the Demi Whore brenda power video?

slightly more "vicious"

[StarBoi]

good idea there sunflower, great to see the place has a good mod and a very fashionable hat :P:P:P

haha lets not be mean and throw shit at brenda, lets just tepee her house.

[Commotion]

The gay community needs to realise that other peoples opinions are valid too.
.

Like the Nazis' opinions?

I'm sorry but you are wrong. It is just as unacceptable to deny access to the legal contract of civil marriage to someone based on their sexual orientation as it was to deny access to interracial marriage in the US in the 1960's

If Brenda Power is opposed to same sex marriage then she is absolutely free not to marry a woman. But I'll be damned if she tries to deny me access.

[Commotion]

As for whether gay couples are monogamous or not. Well that's up to them. It is entirely irrelevant. Do you want marriage denied to straight people because some of them have affairs on their husbands/wives.

To deny access to civil marriage to a law-abiding, tax-paying citizen based on their sexual orientation is wrong in a country which claims to be a 21st century democracy.

[Commotion]

The gay community needs to realise that other peoples opinions are valid too.
.

Like the Nazis' opinions?

I'm sorry but you are wrong. It is just as unacceptable to deny access to the legal contract of civil marriage to someone based on their sexual orientation as it was to deny access to interracial marriage in the US in the 1960's

If Brenda Power is opposed to same sex marriage then she is absolutely free not to marry a woman. But I'll be damned if she tries to deny me access.

[JoannaRyde]

What if any part of that was aimed at me???

[Merack]

Hahahahah, Joanna and Cher are officially super-gays! :D


Brill work on both videos and i must say Joanna, it looks like a lovely gash:p

[admin]

its turning me off from using this website or in any way wanting to become a part of the so called "cliques".

And isnt that the whole purpose for www.gayinlimerick.com (http://www.gayinlimerick.com)

Actually no. The purpose is of this website is to give to Limerick the same online presence as Cork has with www.gaycork.com.

All opinions are well BUT personal remarks/ insults are not...

[JoannaRyde]

I've had phone calls and mails all day about the video!!

We filmed it as a laugh the other day but everyone says its exactly what needs to be done. We don't need to explain ourselves, we just need to tell her to fuck right off and go the pub!

[Evil Steve]

we just need to tell her to fuck right off and go the pub!

Us go to the pub or her?

as long as its not the same pub, we should be grand.

[JoannaRyde]

No us!

We should go the pub

I'll have a Red Bull please!

[Evil Steve]

No us!

We should go the pub

I'll have a Red Bull please!

Ahhhh... i agree... to the bar

[Twiggy]

That woman is GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!

What she is doing with this column is a abuse of power! Their are actually codes of conduct against it!!!

NUJ Code of Conduct,
a professional journalist 'Strives to ensure that information is..accurate and fair.'They must not publish work causing 'hatred or discrimination on the grounds of a person’s...legal status...marital status, or sexual orientation.

So basically she has landed herself in line for sacking and i am not suprised people are calling for it. She abused her position. I totally agree with Joanna about how this article may affect younger members of the LGBTQ Community who are not out, its not fair on them.

I studied English at college level that anything you write about should be judged from as many angles as possible, proper research is to be carried out even if it something you don't necessarily agree with and that all personal points made should be backed up by factual studies/research.

Considering she studied Journalism for three/four/whatever years and being a professional Journalist in a widely read paper she would know better, even if it is her 'own opinion' she should realize the implications it has on others.

[Evil Steve]

Is it true that people are going protesting/picketing outside the offices of the Irish Times this friday?

[JoannaRyde]

She doesnt work for the Irish Times, she works for the Sunday Times. Its a different company!

As regards what Twiggy said, I know from doin what I do so long that I have a small bit of influence on the younger gays. A lot of them don't wanna read the letters coz they're not into it so even though I did write one meself, I thought it'd be easier to make a video telling her to fuck off coz thats MY opinion which as she pointed out in her second piece of shit, I'm entitled to!

[Evil Steve]

She doesnt work for the Irish Times, she works for the Sunday Times. Its a different company!



My apologies, i meant sunday times.

[JoannaRyde]

No apology needed

I'm not a middle aged woman with homophobia!

[Evil Steve]

No apology needed

I'm not a middle aged woman with homophobia!


Mind you... if you were wouldn't it have made Dragiators a different thing all together

For this weeks challenge , I want ye to try an make a serious political point on the shortcomings of the new Civil Partnership Bill while wearing half a wedding dress.

and remember girls homosexuals are entirely free to marry. They just can’t marry someone of the same sex

[fada]

OMG... That would be funny Steve.... Picket of the times office.... mmmm.... Why do we live in Limerick.....? All the fun protests are in BÁC!

[Evil Steve]

lets go protest the ducks at the duck sanctuary.

stupid ducks, think they are better than us

[fada]

LEAVE THE DUCKS ALONE!! boo hoo!

lol....

[Evil Steve]

LEAVE THE DUCKS ALONE!! boo hoo!

lol....


but are so smug, ive seen the way the swin around the place thinking they are better than the moor hens an swans because its called a DUCK sanctuary.

bastards

[fada]

True... but I like ducks.... they make nice food ;)

[Evil Steve]

True... but I like ducks.... they make nice food ;)

ewww no.. so greazey an yuck

[fada]

I ate it once, and though it was nice..... Sweet... fatty...

[Twiggy]

Mmmmm duck!!!!I love the dish u can get it with in the chinese with the pancake things!

[fada]

Mmmmm duck!!!!I love the dish u can get it with in the chinese with the pancake things!
I know!! My friend orders it the whole time! SOOOO delish!

[StarBoi]

you got that off me twiggy! i miss maynooth :(

[DaisyD]

Taken from Panti's Facebook/Twitter:


Panti Bar Tonight at The Panti (& Bunny!) Show: lights, music, dramatic scenes, and special guest Brenda Power!


Should make from an interesting night!!

Panti's Facebook LINK (http://www.facebook.com/inbox/readmessage.php?t=1127669165570&f=1&e=-12#/panti?ref=ts&__a=1)

[Twiggy]

you got that off me twiggy! i miss maynooth :(

I miss it too.......:(